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Author:  jed [ Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Proposed new method of Autodraw
Ok here is the current solution that I think is best:
- We create a new card called Base Building. It allows you to play any basic domain building. ( Choose a domain when you place the Base Building. Base Building becomes a basic Domain building of this domain.)
- If you don't have a Base Building in hand when you draw a card you will draw one.
- The only exception to this is if you have no cards in hand in which case you just draw the top of your deck. (to prevent card removal lock out)
- Cards that are normally autodrawn right now will be given this Fated keyword.
- Fated: If you don't have a fated card in your hand when you need to draw a card, you will draw the first Fated card in your deck that you have the domain to play.

So you no longer put Groves or Graveyards or any basic domain building in your deck. You just play those from the base building that the server always gives you.

This I think fixes everything. This should make autodraw much simpler. Basic Buildings will still cost a card. Astridian Forum lock out will be fixed.
Author:  Keyser [ Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Autodraw: Something needs to be done!
Jed, I think that sounds promising.

What will it mean for a card like Alabaster Pantheon? If my plan is to play a Grove and then play a Pantheon, would I have to wait two turns to get the Pantheon if it's the only "fated" card in my deck? i.e: I play Base Building to make a Grove. The next turn I draw the Base Building because I didn't have one. The next turn, I draw the fated card Pantheon.

If so, is that what we want the result to be? Or would it be better to have Fated cards get priority in the draw? i.e.: If I have no Base Building card in hand, I draw the next Fated card in my deck. If there is no Fated card in my deck, I draw Base Building.
Author:  jed [ Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Autodraw: Something needs to be done!
Well since pantheon is fated and no domain cost you would have it in your opening hand if it was the only fated card in your deck.
Author:  Zurken [ Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Proposed new method of Autodraw
If I understand this one, you will have 2 domain giving cards in hand (on 0 cards you draw fated one, and hence then you have more than 0 cards in hand, but no base you will draw base, so that still counts) no matter what.

What about 'unusual' starts, like that Pantheon, Great Oak, Hall of Justice...? When f.e. one my deck uses just (Ok, used) Hall of Justice and Vapor Mahal - I wasn't playing with Bases at all.. I will anyway get 1.. ? (+that Hall and Mahal in starting hand.. at least Hall and draw the Mahal on next turn.. always worked for me)

One thing I like: Autodrawing stuff (not bases) will be Fated, so it will be clear, that it autodraws.
Author:  jed [ Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Proposed new method of Autodraw
You will only have 2 domain cards in hand if you include things like great oak. Otherwise you will just have the Base Building card.
Author:  Zurken [ Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Proposed new method of Autodraw
And that you usually do..
Well, what about the 2nd question?
Supposing I have that Basic Building, 3 Dew Mogis (let make it easier) and 2 Novice Adventurers - will I get that fated Hall I want to start with? Or will I get it with just 50% chance? (Mahal is 1st in deck).
Supposing I succesfully casted that Hall, will I draw just 1st fated building or that Mahal (as I need ele domain to cast Dew Mogis)?
Looks to me that it favores sylvan rush (will get just 1 Grove and that's all what it needs) - and other decks like this. Those with uncommon starting will just have .. that huge problems that it just won't be worthy to play them.. :(
Author:  jed [ Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Proposed new method of Autodraw
I don't understand what you are asking I guess? The Base Building can't be added to your deck. it is given to you by the server instead of a card from your deck if you don't have one in hand.
There is no more autodraw beyond that and cards with fated. So if you have mahal at bottom of your deck and a another fated card above it you will draw that other fated card.
Author:  jed [ Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Proposed new method of Autodraw
Ok after talking to you in game your issue is that this new way doesn't allow you to specify the order that buildings are drawn like you are with the current autodraw.
Now you can arrange your deck so you can always cast for example Hall of Justice round 1. Mahal round 2.
With the new way you would only have some chance of getting Hall before Mahal.

I tend to think your ability to control the draw order of your cards should be pretty limited.

Do people think this is an issue?
Author:  headshot [ Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Proposed new method of Autodraw
jed wrote:
Ok after talking to you in game your issue is that this new way doesn't allow you to specify the order that buildings are drawn like you are with the current autodraw.
Now you can arrange your deck so you can always cast for example Hall of Justice round 1. Mahal round 2.
With the new way you would only have some chance of getting Hall before Mahal.

I tend to think your ability to control the draw order of your cards should be pretty limited.

Do people think this is an issue?


Yes it is an issue in my opinion too, and I have a suggestion for a fix. Some way to setup the order of fated cards when editing deck?

EDIT: another possibility would be to give fated cards different 'colors' too, and give in starting hand a fated card of each color.
Author:  Sooty [ Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Proposed new method of Autodraw
Would it be the case that the 2nd turn's draw is always a base building now? Seems painful for decks which only want to tech to the 2nd domain. And mulliganing is going to be also quite painful now you always redraw into a base and a fate card first, even if you don't need them

It also sounds like we'll have to decide between having multiples of the same fate card and therefore drawing them when we don't need them, or just have one and risk not being able to replace them when they're destroyed. Very relevant in cases like... Hall of Justice for example?

Are these consequences be intended?
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