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| Author: | CapAp [ Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Sylvan is ridiculous |
That's all. I won't bother explaining why, because elf fanboys will just come in here and jizz all over themselves arguing about why I'm wrong. But everyone who plays this game knows I'm right. Ridiculous. |
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| Author: | Sunyaku [ Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sylvan is ridiculous |
Yeah, we've had extensive conversations about this... hoping for a little more balance with the next set. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=545&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=sylvan+unstoppable |
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| Author: | Atticus [ Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sylvan is ridiculous |
Could it be that most everyone plays sylvan, so people have just learned how to be effective with it from lots of practice? None of the hardest decks I've played against have been Sylvan. Sylvan decks may be stronger on average, but the toughest decks I've seen were all MF or DL. |
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| Author: | akkmedk [ Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sylvan is ridiculous |
strong decks don't mean shit unless you can develop past the early game. the issue with sylvan is that more often than not sylvan are dealt a hand that either allows them to drop 2 creatures to your 1, can chain spawn treents up to your front door on turn one, capture a second flux well within a turn or two with cheap buildings, or cast a cheap aloft effectively cutting off all movement of your scout if you've been lucky enough to draw one. Even if the game is all about luck, early sylvan decks have a lot of outs, a lot of things can break their way easily. Which is why in tournaments 75% play sylvan, it's just to hard not too. Props to any player on the top of the charts who isn't playing sylvan, as far as i'm concerned. |
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| Author: | Atticus [ Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sylvan is ridiculous |
Off the top of my head, i can name several players at the top who rarely if ever play sylvan. Doiron comes to mind, for example. There are many ways to counter the sylvan rush. 1) Play elemental and pack 3 hail storms and 3 couldbursts. Rush over. 2) play DL and pack 3 red imps, a fire beetle, 3 drain bloods, and 3 hellcats. Rush severely hampered. 3) Play mf and pack 3 attritions and 3 craig scouts. And never mind all the building destruction spells everyone but sylvan has which can easily wipe out those early round buildings and reverse the flux advantage. The rush is tough, sure. And sometimes you've got the cards, and sometimes you don't. But it doesn't seem unbalanced to me. I sure didn't feel overpowered when I was playing a sylvan deck. My current DL deck is much tougher than the sylvan deck I used to play. |
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| Author: | doiron [ Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sylvan is ridiculous |
I hate sylvan so much that I vowed I'd never play a sylvan deck. But now that we have splashing, it's hard to resist. every race has a few options for taking care of rushes, true. there are only a couple sylvan cards that I think are incorrectly priced (beacon being the main one.. but I don't think the spawn in forest ability or morph are quite right either), but on the whole a rush is certainly not the only effective way to go. |
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| Author: | CapAp [ Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sylvan is ridiculous |
Atticus wrote: There are many ways to counter the sylvan rush. No doubt. But as anyone who ever played Magic knows, requiring decks to pack cards that are otherwise useless in order to counter an overpowered strategy is not good design. Would you put Hailstorm in your deck if you didn't know your opp was playing sylvan? No way. That's a subpar card. And there go 3 slots that you OUGHT to be able to use for combos or general counters. Look at it this way. In the NFL, if defensive linemen were to start facemasking the quarterback because it's worth the penalty in yardage to really fuck the guy up, would you say "well I guess it's time for every single team to add another offensive lineman so that doesn't happen anymore", or would you say "I guess it's time to increase the penalty for facemasking"? The former is certainly a valid solution, but it ruins the strategy of the game by forcing all teams into a certain homogenous setup. And that is super lame. Like Sylvan. |
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| Author: | Sunyaku [ Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sylvan is ridiculous |
CapAp wrote: Would you put Hailstorm in your deck if you didn't know your opp was playing sylvan? No way. That's a subpar card. As a veteran of MTG, I play with at least two hailstorm in every elemental deck. It's usefulness is sorely underrated. |
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| Author: | CapAp [ Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sylvan is ridiculous |
Sunyaku wrote: CapAp wrote: Would you put Hailstorm in your deck if you didn't know your opp was playing sylvan? No way. That's a subpar card. As a veteran of MTG, I play with at least two hailstorm in every elemental deck. It's usefulness is sorely underrated. Not in the current metagame, where you're going to play against Sylvan 50% of the time. What EL player *doesn't* run Hailstorm? But the only time you ever PLAY hailstorm is when you're fighting Sylvan, and that's key. |
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| Author: | lord_midnight [ Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sylvan is ridiculous |
hailstorm is great, especially when you have a Benefits of Spectacle. 1 Flux for 1 Glory is pretty cheap. I have used several in a row to take out larger creatures, or to finish off a Base after a Tremor. It is a staple of the EL faction. |
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