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 Post subject: Proposed changes to the Wiki
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:06 pm 
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This list of things I suggest improving on the Wiki is not exhaustive, as I haven't explore every single page (yet) :P I'll be adding and changing things as new issues are noticed or dealt with. Stuff in green has been completed.

Pages to be added:
    • Upload all card images
    • Create a Market page
    • Create a Guild page
    • Create Scenarios page
    • Create missing card pages (missing 200 card pages, possibly more)
    • Add page about gold (including information on how to get it and what it's used for)
    • Add Lore pages
    • Create a Staff and Volunteers page
    • Add general Army page
    • Create "Card Type" page explaining what each type does
    • Create Domain page
    • Create Rarity page
    • Create a "Guides" category and add appropriate pages to it (such as the Deck Building page)
    • Create card attributes page

Pages to be edited:
    • Expand on information about modes within tournament types (i.e. Keep Cards in Draft, Zwar Gokken in Sealed)
    • Clarify "Casting Cost" section of card pages
    • Add descriptions to card pages
    Expand acorns page

Style-related issues:
    • Revamp main page to include more links and be more concise
    • Language needs to be more formal and informative
    • Make card pages cleaner, use less headings
    • Update all code to Wiki markup (templates are all in HTML, as are some card pages)

I edited my talk page to include an example of what I'd like to change the main page to, as well as an example template to put on the bottom of all card-related pages. I'd like to make similar templates for the game modes/tournament pages, and possibly one for guides. My main goals right now are to fix the style of the templates on the card pages, and to add correct information to those pages.

(Also @Altren, the extension I suggest using is this one. :) )


Last edited by Ancestry on Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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 Post subject: Re: Proposed changes to the Wiki
 Post Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:37 am 
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Good stuff! Go for it!


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 Post subject: Re: Proposed changes to the Wiki
 Post Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:27 pm 
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Would it be possible to have a change log/tracker for each card on the wiki? That way, it would be easy to keep an eye on changes made to each particular card.


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 Post subject: Re: Proposed changes to the Wiki
 Post Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:45 pm 
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Wikis already track the changes made for each page! If you're using the default Wiki theme, a link called "History" will be displayed on every page above the page name. That'll bring you to a page that shows all the past edits to the page, including who made the changes, when they were made, and how big the changes were. You can compare versions of a page to see all the changes. So if you're viewing the history page for the Main Page, click the box that says "Compare selected revisions" to see what changes were made.

You can also track all the edits to the Wiki by checking the Recent Changes page, which is linked on the left of every page.

If what you mean is a masterlist of all cards that have been updated, we could make a list of updated card pages on my (or anyone else's) talk page so that people don't waste time on pages that have already been fixed.


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 Post subject: Re: Proposed changes to the Wiki
 Post Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:51 pm 
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An example: Card jadajadajd had a flux cost of X. In October 2017, jadajadajd's flux cost was changed to Y, and the reasons for that was a, b and c.

It is the possibility of displaying that kind of information that I meant with my above remark :)


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 Post subject: Re: Proposed changes to the Wiki
 Post Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:32 pm 
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I agree with most changes you are planning to do, but I strongly disagree with adding all cards into wiki by hands.

First of all this is lots of work (529 cards for now).
Second - you need to track all cards changes. While changes in cards logic happens quiet unfrequently there are frequent style changes, some clarifications and similar stuff.
Third - adding all this have very minor positive sides, the only one I see so far is that there can be additional information about card there. All category and search related things are easier and way faster at market where you can search not only by keywords and categories, but by any word.

What I suggest is trying to all all cards using some script, or rather not do this at all.
Also about uploading cards images there - no reason to do that: better use images from game. All images can be accessed through next link:
Seed set: <http://www.thefarwilds.com/hinstaller/media/images/largeimages/<CardName>L.jpg>
Borderlands set: <http://www.thefarwilds.com/hinstaller/media/images/largeimages2/<CardName>L.jpg>
Example: http://www.thefarwilds.com/hinstaller/m ... arkerL.jpg
http://www.thefarwilds.com/hinstaller/m ... SpiteL.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: Proposed changes to the Wiki
 Post Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:46 pm 
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I see your point about the information already being available ingame. We could add more information to card pages though, more than what can be put in the description of the card ingame. We can add more information about how the cards work, and also maybe include a section about the strategies of the card.

Linking to images on the server instead of images on the Wiki would actually be more work than just uploading all the missing card images. Since the card images on the Wiki are named exactly as the card is, (e.g. Abrixian Sparker is "Abrixian Sparker.jpg") we can just use a template to make the image link inherit the page name, which allows the image to show up. If we started linking to AbrixianSparkerL.jpg, we'd have to change the template and change all the card pages to follow the new image format, and then create all the new card pages to have that format too. So it's less work to just bulk upload the remaining images, and not have to fetch the image link for the pages that are already there. Plus, after copying the card images to a new folder, it's really easy to just bulk rename them so that they match the card names.

As for tracking card changes, this is something I think we should have a record of regardless of whether the card are on the Wiki or not. It's important to have a list of all these changes in one place so that people can easily refer to them, and so that old members coming back can see what changes were made without having to go through lots of posts.

I'm looking at upload scripts right now that I can run, and I'll look for scripts that add pages, too. Because then I could just create the missing card pages in a batch.


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