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Post subject: Game crashing from Tentacles and Anti-Magic [bug]  Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:39 am |
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Game crashed when trying to attach tentacles of lycaron to a guy enchanted with anti-magic shell.
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Nighthawk42
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Post subject: Re: Game crashing from Tentacles and Anti-Magic [bug] Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:32 pm |
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Sounds similar to the Lost Oasis/AMS bug.
In think case, it seems like they should attach but not be able to pull the unit.
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Altren
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Post subject: Re: Game crashing from Tentacles and Anti-Magic [bug] Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:13 pm |
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No, it should remove one shell token and nothing else.
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Nighthawk42
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Post subject: Re: Game crashing from Tentacles and Anti-Magic [bug] Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:27 pm |
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AMS protects against Spells and Enchantments being cast on the creature. It secondarily nullifies enchantments. It doesn't protect against abilities (Warlock, Archmage, etc).
So, the ability of the tentacle creates an enchantment on the creature and bypasses the casting target protection. However, since AMS also nullifies enchantments, that creature enchantment would do nothing.
Tentacles isn't an enchantment targeting the creature. It's an enchantment targeting a land space that has an ability that affects creatures.
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Sooty
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Post subject: Re: Game crashing from Tentacles and Anti-Magic [bug] Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:17 am |
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Tentacles also costs 0 to activate. If we follow the card texts to their logical end, the tentacle should be able to nullify the AMS with a few 0-cost activations. What really needs to be clarified is what happens if the creature is already attached before AMS is cast on it.
TFW needs a rules primer...
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Altren
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Post subject: Re: Game crashing from Tentacles and Anti-Magic [bug] Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:16 pm |
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Just read AMS description - it says "Any spell or enchantment that targets..." Tentacles is Enchantment and it targets creature when using ability. So yeah - you can remove AMS easily.
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Nighthawk42
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Post subject: Re: Game crashing from Tentacles and Anti-Magic [bug] Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:41 pm |
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Tentacles is an enchantment that targets a land space.
It has an ability that targets creatures.
Big difference, or it should be.
In the case of an already attached creature, the Tentacles would be negated by the AMS. If Altren's method is the fact then new tentacles could negate the AMS in the process of attaching. I think they should just attach through the AMS but be negated like a Tentacles that was there when the AMS was cast.
Of course, right now it sounds like the game doesn't know what to do with it and just crashes.
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