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krakhoar
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Post subject: Re: Turmoil + Freehold  Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 2:31 am |
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jed wrote: Although is turmoil+freehold really worse than desolation totem?
I've only had the combo mentioned used on me once, but I would say yes, turmoil + freehold is definitely worse than just totem. It's much easier to apply, and while there are some counters, you have to use most of them *immediately* after turmoil is applied. On the other hand, totem can be removed whenever you feel like it.
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Themist
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Post subject: Re: Turmoil + Freehold Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 3:20 am |
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Not to mention you have to be able to see where you are casting totem.
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jed
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Post subject: Re: Turmoil + Freehold Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 4:15 pm |
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why do you have time with totem but not freehold? They both are doing the same thing, contesting your well?
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Zblader
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Post subject: Re: Turmoil + Freehold Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 7:37 pm |
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Well, Freehold is a Battle Ready building. Totem is a mere pathetic enchant(I consider it pathetic since just about every domain but DL has Disenchanting). Timing is needed for BOTH of them though. If Tumoil goes bye-bye, so does your chance to Totem or Freehold. Anyway, this is a bug that should be fixed in the case of Freehold. Totem is actually not that strong, just good. Freehold + Turmoil = T_T. You can't reconstruct totems anyway  .
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Post subject: Re: Turmoil + Freehold Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:10 pm |
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You say totem is a mere pathetic enchant, but I would rather take my chances with turmoil+freehold rather than turmoil+totem if opponent drops null stone to prevent disenchant.Not only that, totem can take all of your AoC away from you even if you have 3 1 sight buildings out, can freehold?Also @zblader, All except DL has disenchant? I'm assuming you are not counting mystic feedback, but in that case, show me your sylvan disenchant. Have fun getting 3 domain and the flux for restore natures balance with no wells (and possibly no AoC at all). My point is I dislike both, but I think totem is stronger unless you are mf.
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queeshai
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Post subject: Re: Turmoil + Freehold Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:42 pm |
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sylvan also has gossamer palace and the guy that changes places with enchants ... though both are countered in this case by casting totem under a building.
totem is weakened a little because it costs more to cast than freehold. though, as noob noted, if it causes you to lose your entire area of control ...
I think this combo might be a tiny bit OP in how quickly it can get out ... but, really, there are a lot of good counters. I think it is much less OP than the vanilla DL strategy that so many players use. and much much less OP than the potential of orb of mind control.
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Zblader
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Post subject: Re: Turmoil + Freehold Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 9:12 pm |
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@noob: Wrecked Huger's Turmoil+Totem with Nature's balance. Also took down 1 HoC domain  . Queeshai is correct though. Hmmm, as for totem counter, is anybody forgetting a certain golden deer?
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