I hate sealed... I hate draft almost as much...

Aside from being exceptionally bad at those formats, I've never been attracted to them regardless of the TCG.

I like the setup of Domain League, though, because there's a chance to win something back from the gold you spend (read: no chance if your name is Atahualpa). So, I join Domain Leagues, get my packs and lose a bunch of games trying to win something back.

Now, I've had enough. I don't want to play Domain games anymore and if anyone wants me to go against them in the league, they're going to have to pay me for the emotional strain the entire process is going to cost me. I just want the packs. That's another topic, though.

I also serve to skew the Domain prize payout for other people since my presence there (as well as that of the alts I've been thinking of using to get packs with) dilutes the payouts. It also screws with the actual rankings for those unfortunate souls that couldn't play against me and grab the extra points I'm worth to anybody.

What I've been thinking is, why can't there be a league in a format I like? Not just one that "I" like but there has to be a few others out there that prefer constructed.

It shouldn't be too hard to setup a constructed league... it's just like a long-term EC where you have to pay 500g to participate. You get 3 packs and a crack at some prize money. You don't have to use the cards you get from the entry fee, you don't have to lock the decks after the tournament begins. You just get something in return for three packs you might have picked straight off the market! In fact, the only reason I haven't bought additional packs today is I don't want to get them straight off the market and I am waiting for the next Domain League week to get another and the next Domain League to get another 3.

Jed, the lack of a constructed leagues is costing you my monies... and that's more than just my 2 cents, or centavos, or whatever.

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I think the only people you would get in a constructed league are the cream of the crop. As a new player, I wouldn't dare step into that kind of league. But if there is enough interest, then yeah, why not?

Meh, it's the same with many people and the current domain... they just join for the cards. A constructed league will give them more leagues to join, more options to be in a competitive environment. Also, everybody keeps saying "domain is a very tough environment." There's your cream of the crop right there, yet new pay-to-play players are encouraged to join because it's the best place to get a jump start in the game.

This league, everybody has played (so far) but if you look at the previous results... three people joined only to get cards.

Regardless, there's nothing to lose but what I assume to be some time from Jed to make some configurations. What is there to gain?

1) Players have more avenues for purchasing cards. (who says you can't joing domain, KC and a constructed league all at the same time just to get 9 packs of cards).

2) Constructed fans (I've identified one other aside from myself since posting) get a league they can compete in.

3) Jed gets another source of potential income.

Back to the cream of the crop thing... Me joining a constructed league and me joining a sealed league... I probably won't win anything in sealed... I probably won't win anything in constructed. At least I enjoy constructed, so I'd much rather play there than domain. That's the bottom line, I'd much rather enjoy after spending my money than be annoyed about having spent money and then play a match I absolutely abhor (which is how I've felt after every single domain game I've had, including the two -- I think -- that I actually won). Sealed makes me feel dirty.

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I'm curious, why do you not like sealed?

I'm not opposed to this idea. I just want to understand the motivation a bit more.
You would rather buy into a constructed league and lose then just buy packs and play constructed games?
What if there was a constructed tournament like shark tank you could always buy into?

I'm obsessive compulsive by nature... having to make do with the limited amount of cards does not fit me. It might interest you, particularly, to know that a part of this compulsion drives me to build a complete collection (no, my financial situation prevents that for the forseeable future). That's besides the point, though. I don't like building decks out of what comes out of a box. I look through all the available cards, I consider what I'd like in a deck and I try to procure those. If they work, fine, if not, I procure replacements. Once the deck is satisfactory in my opinon (this does not equate to "good" or "effective"), I work on another deck. My time playing TCG's is spent completing the decks and a playset. The first thing I look for when building a deck is to use a card that nobody really uses.

Having to pick out of such a small pool of cards as is provided in sealed or draft just isn't worthwhile for me.

In addition, I find no challenge in making a speed/weenie deck and I shun away from those. I can confidently say that I have never competitively used a weenie deck in a TCG. I did use some a few times while playing Rage, but the mechanics of that game make weenie decks particularly weak, therefore of some challenge and attraction to me.

I do not want to buy into a constructed league to lose. If I buy into a limited league, though, that's buying to lose in so far as I'm concerned. In a constructed league, I stand a chance.

I do not want to just "buy packs." I find it unjust that sealed deck fans can pay an extra 50 gold for three packs and realistically win that gold back, and and then some. Your own computations on this site that I can't completely recall right now push the cost of packs in domain league down to about 100g based on average player earnings. That's what I want... a "real" chance to win some of my gold back as well as something more worthwhile (to me) to spend my Power on. Realistically, that's not going to happen to me in a limited environment. My decks are too dependent on using specific cards, not "suitable" replacements.

Sure, my constructed decks tend to suck, too. I like hard to use decks with hard to use, impractical combos. They do win, however, and I've done rather well in some EC's against some well respected players.

Shark tank, that's more like a losing proposition for players with less cards (read: one deck) since it allows more robust players to take advantage of the little guy with a counter deck. I doubt many people will use it. It also lacks the attraction of the leagues stated above where you actually pay less for packs after a respectable performance in the league.

Motivation: Get back some of the gold that I spent for packs. If I do, then it's great. If I don't, then I'm back where we are right now and it makes no difference. At the very least, I have a chance at winning some back than I do with the current selection of tournaments.

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I agree with atahualpa here ( i dont think I'm the player he was talking about either)
Some people like constructed. Some people like sealed.
I prefer constructed. I like thinking about decks and tuning decks and trying combos out.
I also like the way you can get cards from one domain via Domain League.
So, I would prefer a constructed league. It would be like an EC league.
Sure there are players who will beat me almost every time. But it doesnt bother me as I prefer the format.

Suggestion: 350gold to enter. 2 domain packs. standard prize structure (with the 50 gold extra put in). League goes for 2-3 weeks.

Yay! That makes three of us that prefer constructed leagues. That also accounts for 12.5% of the two most recent domain leagues as the other player I refered to has not joined a league yet...

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So is the idea that you can't change your deck once you enter the league?
I still don't understand how the league format makes sense for constructed? Seems like one off tournaments would have the effect you are looking for. I suppose that you don't have to play for as long a session in a league. But a league also requires more people to enter or it becomes really hard to get all your games.



How would a player with one deck do any better in a league than they would in a tournament? The idea of paying less per pack is the same in a tournament. If you really want to involve cards rather than gold it could be:
6 person tournament
200g to enter
everyone wins 1 pack
189 for winner
54 for second
27 for 3rd

It doesn't matter to me either way in so far as changing decks goes. Though it's probably better, there are definitly issues with locking decks, particularly with personal collections and people trading before entering the league then trading the cards back out.

Arguments for league vs tournament:

A person with one deck would do better in a league than a tournament because of the number of games. I get up to 8 chances to beat someone in league, I get one shot to beat him in a tournament.

In a league, I can rank in the lower-mid range by simply playing games (win or lose). In a tournament, you lose once (or twice for double elimination) and you're out.

In a league, you compete till the end. In a tournament, the whole thing could be over for you in the first 5 minutes (I have much experience with that in EC).

In a league, you can play a game at any time so long as you find another participant (a single one will do). For a tournament, anyone who comes on too early or too late for the schedule is disqualified. Furthermore, before it becomes rewarding you have to find enough people online at the same time and able to play for about an hour after the start.

Your 200g tournament is a good idea, I'd hit it before buying a pack off the market. For that to be really effective, though, you'll have to bring it down to the price level of Shark Tank or Zwar (165g or 168g) What would really be cool, though, would be a 1vs1 sealed paid match where the entry is 150g and the winner takes home... 30-40g? 50g?

I still like league, too, by the way

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ok. How do you want the league set up?
How long should it last?
how many intervals?
Games per interval etc?