I commented on the only point that you made worth commenting on: that the announcement should have been made earlier, which I happened to agree with you on. What other "points" have I missed? That Blizzard developers don't play in professional leagues of their products? I found it laughable that you'd equate playing a beta of a game for imaginary prizes to anything close to a "professional league match" and didn't bother saying so.

Now that you say that you "outed" him about a week ago, what makes you think that has anything at all to do with him "coming clean" about his involvement?

You and I have played [double elimination sealed IIRC] and yes, you accused me of hacking my deck both privately and in the lobby. I never claimed that it wasn't possible for someone to cheat because it can't be proven, but I don't buy into every accusation of cheating simply because someone posted it. The fact that this particular someone has also been seen accusing several others simply diminishes the already meager value of those claims. You claim three, plus I know myself... so at least four.. how many others that you've conveniently forgotten? I am a coder, I know that anything that can be written can be [cr\h]acked, that's the way of the world. I also think it's silly to accuse someone of cheating when there is literally nothing at stake and when there is absolutely nothing at all to back that accusation up. I suppose it is just a different view of the world.

The Grand Clash has a prize of $1,000. Additionally, gold has a real world value of approximately 1 gold/ $.02.

His point is totally legitimate, and it is laudable that Alten, a guy who has access to more code than the average player, has removed himself from the competition to avoid accusations of impropriety.

Good show Altren. You should have done it sooner.

I mean, am I going to complain that Altren is out? Of course not. But I honestly don't see how he cheats. I mean, every card that gets cast shows up on your screen too. It's not like shit appears out of the blue. He's just ::good:: - unfortunate but, uh, deal with it?

And in response to the devs-playing-tournaments deal. Jed has played in GC Prelims. I got crushed by him multiple times. The only cheating he's doing is that he has access to every card to build a deck. Ok, big whoop. There aren't that many, and with some spending/trading you could do in a matter of minutes.

Until somebody shows up saying "Altren cast 7 manipulations in one game" I just can't understand how 1) knowing the code and 2) having a different client equals cheating.

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-Minds

By the way, I don't have all cards. I bought and traded all of them. There's still many cards I need have to make best deck.

P.S. Max possible amount of Manipulations used by one player in two players constructed game is 12! And max possible amount of same buildings is 18!

I for one get a strange satisfaction when I can stomp Jed's limitless creations with the default Sylvan deck. I look forward to playing him as much as I do Altren.

Random thought-- I think it might be a good idea and clean house on the forums eventually... it's good to vent at times, but it's not always good to leave negativity lying around. I would delete this thread and the "Altren's cheat script thread" at some point in the near future.

Time to assign moderators, perhaps?