In the past few days, I've had several people want to trade me Power for cards. Cool deal. I like Power; I can buy my way into domains and keep cards with it.

But then they see my collection--All of a sudden, they want things for free.

On the open market, Power generally sells for 9 gp per. 50 power can buy your way into Keep Cards or Domain.

In the latest trade, the guy had 9 Power. 9 x 9 = 81 gp. He wanted me to give him 2 Sinkholes and 1 Hadarck's Fort for the 9 Power. In the market, the Fort is currently 93 lowest price/72 highest offer. Sink Holes are currently 28 lowest price/19 highest offer.

I was willing to trade one Fort for 9 Power-a fair deal to both sides.

When I said no to the Fort+2 Sinkholes, he complained, saying that "you have 12 sinkholes" and said that "no one pays market price."

Maybe, I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the "last price" in the market means the last price someone PAID for the card. Last price for Hadarck's Fort at the time of this posting is 95 gp. Last price for Sinkhole: 23 gp. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this means that someone paid 95 gold ON THE MARKET for the Fort and 23 gold for the Sinkhole.

Why is that people think that, just because you have a lot of something (say 12 Sinkholes), that you should give them away for free?

I spent money on this game. I've put time into Domain games, Keep Cards, Zwars, buying and selling cards on the market, etc, etc, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against giving stuff away to people. What bothers me is people feeling they are entitled to a "good deal" on something simply because someone else has more.

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I agree with Keyser, and that's what I'm planning to implement actually.

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My apologies, apparently he only wanted 1 sink hole instead of 2.
(I removed his name from the screenshots for privacy sake)

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Altren wrote:

I agree with Keyser, and that's what I'm planning to implement actually.

|| The Rise of the DCC | Plasmatium Netherious | Tastes Like Chicken | The Astridian Conspiracy ||

Guild -> | Platypus Rising|

Apologies, also, for apparently being a "capitalist". I suppose I should just be the kind of person that gives away everything I've worked for?

That's only fair, right? People that work for something should give to people that don't?

It's funny how that philosophy is always one sided. There are many many people that think that the world owes them stuff, but that they don't owe the world anything?

Take this person for example: He wants me to give him cards (sure, the card is only worth 20gp, but that's besides the point), but I wonder if he often gives cards to other people?

If this rant seems out of proportion to the matter at hand, then you are correct. All in all, giving or not giving away 20 gp worth of stuff-heck, 1000gp worth of stuff, isn't really that big of a deal on the grand scheme of things. Rather, it's the philosophy of entitlement that I am ranting on.

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Altren wrote:

I agree with Keyser, and that's what I'm planning to implement actually.

|| The Rise of the DCC | Plasmatium Netherious | Tastes Like Chicken | The Astridian Conspiracy ||

Guild -> | Platypus Rising|

Keyser, if you ever need a shoulder to...

I'm there for you mate.

<sniff> Thanks, man... <sniff>... you have no idea <sniff> how much <sniff> that means to <sniff> me....

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Altren wrote:

I agree with Keyser, and that's what I'm planning to implement actually.

|| The Rise of the DCC | Plasmatium Netherious | Tastes Like Chicken | The Astridian Conspiracy ||

Guild -> | Platypus Rising|

Point proven:

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Altren wrote:

I agree with Keyser, and that's what I'm planning to implement actually.

|| The Rise of the DCC | Plasmatium Netherious | Tastes Like Chicken | The Astridian Conspiracy ||

Guild -> | Platypus Rising|

My 2 cents (emphasis on "My"),

I understand the attraction to the philosophy that the world owes me this, that, and the other--because that means I don't have to be responsible or accountable for my choices. "But it is not fair that person X has more money than me." Ummm, life is not fair. Any and every attempt at setting up some sort of system that rewards people for doing as little as possible has NEVER succeeded. It inexorably tumbles towards decay.

I do agree that 1000 gold here or there in tfw is of no consequence. But the new religion here in the USA incessantly preaches that holding out one's hand to beg is a valid way to prosper. It is VERY scary to witness. And it is 100% unsustainable. Although I do give them props for finding so many creative ways to take from producers and give to the relaxers. It sure wins votes!*!

[Flame retardant Anti-Magic Shell activated while standing next to a Shield Generator, Mana Dome, Trebuchet Emplacement, undimmed Osin Faith Healer, and 2 Imperial Strongholds]

May the force be with you,

DarkJello

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An interesting window into a complicated topic. I've also gotten rather outlandish trade requests, both from new players looking for free cards and from well established players looking to make trades where they sell at the lowest price and buy at the highest offer. On the other hand, I owe my deck builds to even trades with other regulars and the humble amounts of gold I've gotten by selling commons (slightly) below market price.

I've got two opinions about the larger issues at hand. Regarding Keyser's political status within The Far Wilds, I've enjoyed our hard-bargained but ultimately fair trades. I should also hope that we are all capitalists. The game itself relies on a market based economy to attract and maintain paying customers, and having better cards is a part of doing well in the game. It has to be this way in order to make money for the developers, and if any one player tried to be 'socialist' within the 'capitalist' structure, he would quickly be broke, cardless, and forgotten. In fact, the best rational actor in this scenario might be the most cold-hearted trader. Its an interesting parallel to real politics that a player, subject to the same economic realities as every other, might recieve scorn &/or discrimination for being a rational actor within the game. It could be argued that intra-class discrimination in lieu of cross-class discrimination could be a main obstacle to the type of political overhaul that a player looking for free cards might want. Of course, it's possible a for-profit online card game is the wrong medium for him to be expressing himself.

As far as the parallels to the current politics, Im not opposed at all to certain 'free stuff' for everyone, especially when it comes to inherently socialist enterprises like medicine and education. However, trying to make them work in pure form inside of a capitalist structure is doomed to fail, no matter how we parse the numbers.

TheFlashPoint:

All I got out of that was "in lieu of" mate. That felt like I was reading the abstract of someone writing a paper for their Master's Degree. I had no idea you were capable of such a feat! Well done I say, well done. Also, I salute you.

Ciao,

The jello that rarely sleeps... in my coffin

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In advance sorry for the bad English and sorry for the long post.

It would be nice to leave in world were things were distributed in equal shares for every body just measuring the time of work and the effort. Sadly in our world the one that have the money (more of the times just because he was born in a healthy home, and less of the times because he work hard and had a talent he used in a creative way). Is not free money for people is equal share of money for people who works. I mean every one that works an hour of hard work could win the same amount of money. If they spend some money on that wok for that hour they should get that back too. But, because the doctor studied a lot to get there some may think he should win more money. Then just for our ideal world let’s pay people to study. A student, a Doctor, and a Waitress will win the same money for every hour they work. Oh, crap, but now every one wants to study. Then lets change things a bit more, lets make the exam hard so not every one can go study and lets just allow a few vacant. Now non one wants to be doctor, every one want to be waitress (I don’t believe so. I still want to study psychoanalysis and don’t be a waiter).

But now we have an ideal world where the government has so much power. Looks like it could do nearly anything. Looks like Communism, looks like cuba. Then lets change a bit more and let’s counter the government power with the strongest of the representative democracies. Building a government that can be regulated by the people day by day. Were the people can take decisions and take people out of government in a glimpse. So in fact the government is week, and the people have the power. Elemental studies are free and Superior studies are paid. So most people have an average education. And not having so many people starving to death (and not so many riches either) some people will have more time to learn something, to play TFW, just to enjoy life or to involve in cultural activities. So we can assure that people will be able to participate in a helping way in politics.

I don’t know if it is even possible. But I will love to see it some day. Of course there are a lot of spaces for mafia and corruption. All systems have many places for that but that is what law and police is for.

Any ways even if that is my ideal world by now. The truth is that this world is not like that. This world is about capital. Those 16 sink holes are Keyser’s capital. So he can do with then whatever he wants. And the one that do not have then or do not have the money to buy then will have to work real hard. Try to won some EC or play many games in ladder.

TFW is not part of an ideal world so no every thing can be shared between every one because out there Jed could not eat or Keyser will have to pay 100 buck to get a common and so he wouldn’t be able to eat either.

Now I like the phantom cards it’s a funny way that do not goes against the laws of capitalist market and lets people without money play and have fun. The only problem is that it makes citizens of a second level. The ones that can play in EC. 1st class players, and the ones that only play ladder, 2nd class players. But the phantom cards system + the ladder system provides a way to scale between those classes. And so with hard work a 2nd class player can became a 1st class player. ------Wrote in this way it sounds so clasistic and awfull.-----