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 Post subject: Autodraw... again (final solution?)
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:04 pm 
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Sooo.. I got kicked from EC finals right now, because of broken autodraw, and that forced me to write down what I still believe is the best option, combining few already given options together.

What happened? <those intersted in autodraw only may skip it>
I use Observatory as a way to get on 2nd domain and 1 O. is the ONLY CI providing card in my deck. BUT what happens every time I get CI card as 1st card? I draw I. Keep which is like gg against any bit more skilled enemy. Not just because I can't use awesome ability of Observatory, it also costs me 1 more flux (HUGE importance there, as I hope all of you realizes) - so I always just cycle it and get that my Observatory. Cost is 1 turn now. BUT what when my (properly autodrawn, as wished) Magma Chamber gets destroyed? I of course want to draw another one - but I will NOT as I have Keep in deck. And here that 1 turn really hurts, as I need to get back in game as soon as possible. gg. I definitely DO not want autodraw to do this to me.


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Take Basic Building from Yarons option - the one which you have somewhere on side (not in your initial draw, always available) - when you play it, just choose into what it morphes (f.e. I choose sylvan, it will be casted as a Grove) + you next turn you won't draw a card.
This 'Side deck' will count how many Basic Buildings you have already taken and from some number it will slowly increasy their cost (but not salvage) - this number would be different in different kinds of games. (Smaller in constructed I suppose) - that should prevent building spam which is now problem, but on the other hand would make even current domain denial decks playable (they just have to get rid of your 5 (f.e) basic buildings - which isn't small number when you play them carefully) - but not overpowered.
+do autodraw: "When you have a card on hand you cannot play [in terms of domain, of course] draw 1st Fated card in your deck which allows you to play the card. If there isn't such a card, you do not draw any."
all cards (except basic buildings of course, which would be removed. would at least solve my problem of owning 10 Warrens.) which autodraw now would get Fated.


Example: that way you would get only cards from your deck - or NONE - f.e. I want to go with Astridian Diplomat for Ele domain, have Wayvard Alp in hand from the beginning.. but I'd draw Diplomat AFTER getting on 2nd domain - or I can choose anytime to play Basic ele Building (=M. Chamber) which would give me then 1st fated card in my deck - because any would let then play that Alp.
Another example: I have Rithig in deck and Trade Routes, Vapor Mahal and Glimpse of Greatness. Right now asap I draw Rithigl it would just start giving me domains and domains and domains untill I loose the game. With the proposed system it would just wait and once you get on 2 domain and then give you Glimpse (as that fulfills the 'allows you to play the card' part then.) nothing else.


As far as I can see this should solve ALL the problems, or have I missed anything?


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 Post subject: Re: Autodraw... again (final solution?)
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:13 pm 
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Either that OR - just make it so that Autodraw will ONLY draw domain providing buildings that were originally in your deck.

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 Post subject: Re: Autodraw... again (final solution?)
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:17 pm 
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No, I do not want that, sorry Keyser.
Explanation:
I use Observatory as the way to get on 2nd domain, but I play it just once - why? Because when it gets destroyed I probably do not need it's ability anymore, I'd much more welcome something giving me vision and Base. I do not need to draw another Observatory (or nothing.) IF I would implement Keep to fulfill your rule, I would already have 50% for being forced to mulligan which I do not want.
(Same with Altar and so on.)


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 Post subject: Re: Autodraw... again (final solution?)
 Post Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:16 pm 
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Zurken, man ive read your post twice, and cant wrap my head around it, anyway youve lost me at sidedeck. Sorry.

As someone who is also experimenting with 2nd domain Observatory, I second the concern for broken autodraw. Also it has been driving me nuts, so ive just stopped trying to predict how it will behave.

Cant we just go back to the old way, and add that when all the domain buildings placed in the deck have been played THEN you start drawing the basic phantom buildings.

Also ffs if i have no domain building in hand I want to draw one regardless of all other circumstances. This is how it used to be, but now behaves erratically at best.


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 Post subject: Re: Autodraw... again (final solution?)
 Post Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:55 pm 
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Read it twice because you didn't understand? If so, I should be ashamed :( and will definitely try to write it more clearly, just please ask.
I also don't that much like the 'sidedeck' thingy, you can do just a button for it or whatever, no need for it to take a space as normal card. Can be placed f.e. under cycle (mulligan) - or is the whole idea unacceptable for you? If so, I am afraid it's pretty common in current versions of how it might be :(

+I think it's fine that you do not autodraw a basic building ALWAYS when you have none in deck. Removes problem with Astridian Forum and I definitely don't want to have on hand always. Sometimes I'm more happy to just draw a normal card.

Hope this have helped you at least a bit?


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 Post subject: Re: Autodraw... again (final solution?)
 Post Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:21 am 
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It seems like this particular issue could be solved if autodraw did not add domain cards from outside your deck when drawing your initial hand.

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 Post subject: Re: Autodraw... again (final solution?)
 Post Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:15 am 
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angelatheist wrote:
It seems like this particular issue could be solved if autodraw did not add domain cards from outside your deck when drawing your initial hand.
Yes! A simple but effective solution.


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